"DISABILITY MATTERS" WITH JOYCE BENDER
AUGUST 17, 2004
2:00 P.M. EST
HOST: JOYCE BENDER
GUESTS:
HOWARD McCLINTIC AND JOHN WILLIAMS.
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>> Welcome to "Disability
Matters," with your host,
>> JOYCE BENDER: And welcome, welcome to the show. And you know, all of my listeners know that
I'm going to say right at the beginning of this show. I have one question for you. Are you registered to vote? Are you registered? If you aren't, get registered. You have to vote in this election. As you know, how often have we heard those
words of our former great friend, Justin Dart, who said: "Vote as if your life depends upon it,
because it does!" Heed those words. If you want to have a voice in
Also, I want to thank all of you. You know, we have such great listeners. We get so many e-mails, and many questions
sent to us. And we have such a wonderful
listening audience and such great partners throughout the world. I so much appreciate you listening to this
show and how I know that, together, if we all move forward, we can help as
Ms. Patti LaBelle says: Get a new
attitude in this country toward the employment and quality of life for people
with disabilities.
And today is really a special treat for
me. We have as our guests today John
Williams, President and Publisher of Assistive Technology News, and Howard
McClintic, Executive Director for the CTC Foundation. But before I go further, I just want to
remind all of our listeners that John Williams is very well-known in the
disability community for his writings.
He has been such a great writer, as far as I'm concerned, in the civil
rights for people with disabilities when it comes to access and Assistive
Technology. And he is also a dear friend
of mine and I think of him when I think of all those great historic events I
went to, including the 10th anniversary of the
Because
we have him here with us and his partner in this initiative, and former
Pittsburgher, Howard McClintic. John and
Howard, welcome to the show.
>> Thank you, Joyce.
>> Thank you, Joyce, glad to be here.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, it's wonderful to have both of you here
with us. And I know as I mentioned,
Howard, you're the Executive Director for the CTC Foundation, and John Williams
is the President and Publisher of Assistive Technology News. But as Howard just mentioned at the break,
they are separated only by a hyphen in the partnership and work they're doing
together. So, why don't you take a few
minutes and tell our listeners what that means so we can bring them up to date.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Okay.
Let me first tell you about how we met, because I think that will help
your listeners understand what we're trying to do. We have a mutual friend, Paul Friday. And Paul works for the Concurrent Technologies
Corporation. And about five years ago,
Paul contacted me and he was very interested in getting his company involved in
the -- in the Assistive Technology field.
And he had a couple of ideas, and we tried them out and they didn't
really click at that time. But he said
to me: John, keep in touch, because I
want to -- I really want to work with you.
So I guess it was two years ago next month
Paul introduced me to Howard. And Howard
and I have a lot of mutual interests.
But one is advancing opportunities for people with disabilities. And Howard wanted to see how the foundation
and I could work together. We have done
a number of things, one which is publish a book called "Assistive
Technologies, Expanding The Universe Of Opportunities For People With
Disabilities." Which has a number of values. One, it has a lot of articles in there by me
on uses of Assistive Technology. It also
has articles by major corporate leaders on why they are involved in the
accessibility field, and that is making sure that their products are accessible
to people with disabilities.
And really important, the publication lists
more than 600 Assistive Technology manufacturers worldwide. It gives a description, it gives the names,
phone numbers, and codes for the manufacturers' specialty. This has been a dream of mine since I got
into this field, and Howard made it possible.
So, Howard, now you step in.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Yes.
I'm Howard McClintic and do hail from
I don't know whether we are allowed to give
the address for a sample of the directory.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Absolutely.
Go right ahead.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: I was about to. I was going to --
>> JOYCE BENDER: I was going to ask you, Howard, even if you
could give them, as we move on here, whatever people have to do to reach you if
they are interested in this.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Please.
Well, there are two ways. The
sample of the directory can be seen on the World Wide Web at www.atn, which is
John's organization, assistive technology news.
Dash, that is all that separates us, CTCF.org. WWw.Atn-ctcf.org. You'll see a sample. If people want to contact me by e-mail, my
e-mail address is Mcclinth@ctc.com. Of
course the phone in
The purpose of the foundation, broadly
speaking, is to mainstream niche technologies, technologies that have a special
purpose that would nonetheless benefit mainstream Americans. And that, indeed, is why we are so high on
assistive technologies, because we as aging Americans, each and all, will
benefit if not today all too soon from assistive technologies, and of course
there are people that have more severe challenges in front of them who can
benefit today.
So, the foundation is trying to make those
technologies known and indeed be in place so that Americans can access them
with ease and affordably.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, that is absolutely a phenomenal for
corporations. And may I say why, as all
of our listeners know, I own a company and I employ people with disabilities at
Bender Consulting Services, but frequently when we are dealing with
corporations they do not have an understanding of assistive technology or what
all is involved. And rather than having
to do extensive research, they have one source for assistive technology. That is written -- and this is -- again, just
to repeat all of this, Howard and John, explain again what is in that book? Or give us a sample.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Sure.
If an employer is looking to find companies who manufacture products for
people who have low vision, that is people who are maybe going blind, they will
find in this book, by code, 25 or 30 assistive technology manufacturers
specializing in low vision products.
They will find them worldwide. If
they're looking for advances in telecommunications products, they will find the
companies listed worldwide.
If they're looking for companies who
manufacture text to speech products who have speech problems or people who are
blind, they can find them in this book worldwide. It is a book that is available online in
print form and CD. It's the online
version of this book, actually, it's updated every three weeks. When we first came out with the printed version
of the book in January of this year, we had about 570 manufacturers. Now we have, the last count, 603
manufacturers, and we are about to add four more this week. That is always going to be -- that part of
the book is always going to be growing.
So Howard?
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Well, that's exactly right. I think people will find John's articles very
instructive and useful. His articles are
written from the perspective of a user, and make claim by the end of the
articles, as Joyce can attest, to the usefulness and the value added of
employing and benefiting from the assistive technology. John's articles are very, very good. They are highly readable and very informative
and informed.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Joyce, you know what might be interesting to
your audience is how I got into this, what motivated me.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Guess what, John? And by the way we will be going to break,
soon. And if we go to break, you have to
finish this after break because I can't believe you would say that, because
here is one of our first questions. As
you know, our listeners e-mail us questions prior to the show. And when we come back from break, the number
one question sent to us was:
Mr. Williams, we think you are wonderful for what you've done for
people who have disabilities. We would
like to ask you this question: What got
you interested in assistive technology?
And I will repeat that question and hear the answer from our expert,
John Williams, when we come back from break.
This is
>> At Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, our mission is to provide superior technology consulting services
to our customers, while creating career opportunities, independence and freedom
for people with disabilities. While the
demand for skilled technology professionals is reaching an all-time high, over
13 million disabled Americans, many of them experts in technology, remain
unemployed.
Since 1995, Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, has worked to solve these critical social and business issues by
providing employers with reliable talent and giving individuals with
disabilities the chance to display their talents and enhance their lives
through solid careers. If you're a
person with a disability seeking employment, send us your resume via e-mail to
resume@BENDERCONSULT.Com. For more
information about our services, visit www.Benderconsult.Com in the
Bender Consulting Services, Incorporated,
providing and creating employment opportunities, freedom and independence for
people with disabilities.
Www.Benderconsult.Com.
>>
Welcome back to "Disability Matters" with
>> JOYCE BENDER: Welcome back.
Welcome back. And we are back
with John Williams, our dear friend and leader in the disability community. And Howard McClintic, who is the Executive Director
of CTC Foundation, with an extremely impressive background we will be talking
about in a little bit.
But as I mentioned, thank you for all the
questions. We can't read them all on the
air, but one of the questions that came and I will reread that question to
specifically John Williams, which is:
John, we are so proud of you, and we appreciate so much what you do for
people with disabilities, especially people with vision disabilities as I am
one of those people. My question for you
is, and this is a question from
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Okay.
A long time ago I stuttered very severely. My stuttering rate was 90 to 95 percent. It was impossible for me to say more than two
or three words in succession without stuttering severely. And this put a limit on the number of things
that I could do, especially as a writer.
I -- in 1979, a friend of mine suggested that
I go to
I went -- I took a speech therapy course, 90
minutes a day, 3 times a week, for 18 months.
And in that course, in those 18 months, I learned a lot about
speech. I learned when stuttering
started. I learned how to control it. I learned not to be afraid of it. I learned not to let it control my life.
And as my speech became fluent, my whole life
started changing. I was feeling better
physically. I had more stamina. I was building confidence in myself. And after 18 months, actually, around 17
months, Dr. Hillis came to me and said John, next month is your last
month. Beyond that, I can't teach you
anymore, but you made remarkable progress.
And I started to think at that time if a computer can do this for me,
what can it do for people who are severely disabled or who have other
disabilities? And look what it did for
me.
So I started to look around to find out
what was on the market at that time. At
that time, Joyce, there were maybe 65, 70 companies in the
They
can live a full life. They can
work. They can have fun. They can travel. They can go to movies, et cetera.
>> JOYCE BENDER: John that is an absolutely great story. And you know what? It does not surprise me hearing you tell this
story, because that's what makes you a great leader for us, because you are a
giving person. And you are one of those
people that took a situation of your own and turned it into something
else. And that is really, you know, all
people with disabilities should thank you for what you have done. That is a wonderful, wonderful story.
I do have to ask you a question. If a person has this severe stuttering
problem and they live in another country, how -- is there -- what type of
assistive technology is there for that person?
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Well, let me say this. I think that when it comes to assistive
technology and stuttering, I learned about speech and I learned to control my
speech through this software program which actually told me through -- not by
voice, but through a number of graphs, when I was going to stutter, where the
stuttering was starting, where it was building, where it reached its actual --
its climax.
Rollins Institute in
People who stutter really have to learn the
-- the very first thing is don't let the stuttering control you. You control your own life. And get speech therapy when you're young,
because the stuttering becomes a part of a person's speaking pattern. The longer they stutter, the -- and the older
they get, the more stuttering is a natural form of speech for them. It's unnatural for them to be fluent.
So, speech, though there are a lot of good
speech therapies out there, not every speech therapy, not every way to attack
stuttering is the same. But, we know
more about stuttering today than we did 20, 30, 40 years ago, or even 10 years
ago. And the speech therapists today are really trained. They understand the stuttering. And so get with them and work with a good
speech therapist.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, that is great advice. And we certainly feel that with all the
advances in technology today, there will continue to be more progress for all
people with disabilities.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Joyce, let me add something which I said or
let me say something, and that is when people have a disability, they cannot
let the disability control their lives.
They have to control -- they control their lives and their disability
becomes second or third. But if their
disability -- if they say well, because I have this disability, I can't do this
or I'm not going here, boy, nothing gets me so angry as to hear somebody
say: Well, because I have a disability,
I can't do this. No. That is letting their disability control
their life in multiple ways.
>> JOYCE BENDER: And I agree with you. This is why I tell everyone, you must put
ability first.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Right.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Do not hire the person because they have
epilepsy or cerebral palsy or they are blind, you hire the person for their
skill set. And I can say as a woman with
epilepsy and a hearing loss, that is part of me. And I'm certainly not ashamed in any way, but
it's part of me. It doesn't control me.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Right.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Howard?
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Please.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Can you tell us a bit more about your
foundation?
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Yes.
The CTC Foundation was established in 1998 by Concurrent Technologies Corporation. Concurrent Technologies Corporation or CTC is
headquartered in
We have worked with CTC in getting some of
their electronic commerce applications for the government made available to
Hispanic and African-Americans, bridging the so-called digital divide, training
African Americans and Hispanic Americans about how to use the computer. What to do when the computer is first turned
on, all the way to computer programming.
So we have made a difference that way in the communities where we have
been.
We also have not necessarily with so much
support from CTC, but rather the foundations in and around Pittsburgh, begun to
tackle what is in Pennsylvania and other coal producing states a major problem,
which is acid mine drainage.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Hold it there with that thought. We have to go to break and we will be right
back with Howard McClintic and John Williams.
This is
>> At Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, our mission is to provide superior technology consulting services
to our customers, while creating career opportunities, independence and freedom
for people with disabilities. While the
demand for skilled technology professionals is reaching an all-time high, over
13 million disabled Americans, many of them experts in technology, remain
unemployed.
Since 1995, Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, has worked to solve these critical social and business issues by
providing employers with reliable talent and giving individuals with
disabilities the chance to display their talents and enhance their lives
through solid careers. If you're a
person with a disability seeking employment send us your resume via e-mail to
resume@BENDERCONSULT.Com. For more information
about our services, visit www.Benderconsult.Com in the
Bender Consulting Services, Incorporated,
providing and creating employment opportunities, freedom and independence for
people with disabilities. Www.Benderconsult.Com.
>> If you have a question or comment,
please call toll free at 1-888-335-5204.
Now, please welcome back the host of "Disability Matters,"
here's
>> JOYCE BENDER: And welcome back. If you've been listening to our show we have
with us today such a special treat. John
Williams, president and publisher of Assistive Technology News, and Howard
McClintic, executive director of the CTC Foundation. And Howard, when we went to break, you were
talking about the CTC Foundation and your charter or mission. I guess you were talking about how you wanted
to really help in the area of research and technology, this is what caused you
to work with John.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: That is correct, yes, indeed. I think it's very -- I think from where I am
positioned, assistive technologies are so imaginative and creative and really
genuinely high technology, that it is beneficial to the general public as well
as the disability community. And so I'm
enjoying working with John and learning a great deal about assistive
technologies and trying to imagine. And
it is easy and inspiring the way that assistive technologies can benefit the
general public.
I look at it from the point of view, also, of
the demographics of the population of the
And
John is a great mentor and is, as you recurrently say, Joyce, just so highly
respected and connected throughout America, especially where his work is
well-known, which is in the disability community. You also are to be commended for how you've
taken a personal situation and turned it around to benefit other people that
are in a like situation, and being an advocate as you have been with employers,
to have them come to realize how important the disabled are in performing real
work, value added work. So thank you for
your work, Joyce. I think you go
unappreciated or underappreciated, but you are appreciated by me.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, Howard, thank you very much. But I know that if we just have a handful of
people with the passion that you two have, we can make a change. And John, you, for example, you have such an
impressive background. You are a writer
for Business Week online. I read those
articles all the time. Now here you are
with a column closing the gap for the National Organization on Disability, but
you have written many books. You've had
over 2,000 articles published. What made
you want to do this with the CTC Foundation?
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Well, that's a very easy question to
answer. From the first time I met
Howard, we shared a number of qualities, I think. One is we have equal respect for each other's
abilities. Howard loves to build
matrices, which is great for me, because I can be all over the field. Whereas Howard, I can come in with 10 ideas,
and Howard will say that's great. Now,
let's build a matrix. What is number
one? What is number two? What is number three? In priority.
And which of these are going to accomplish our specific goals? And then he then kind of oversees me and
makes sure that we are -- the two of us do what we need to do to accomplish our
goals.
Part of what we wanted to do is get the book
out. It's out. We wanted to make sure that the book isn't
static. And so in a couple months we
will be coming out with an updated version of the book with different articles,
with new authors, and with more manufacturers.
We are looking at doing a Reader’s Digest or a Consumer’s Digest of
products, and this was -- this was Howard's idea. And this is something that everybody that we
talk to wants, people want to know about the strengths and weaknesses of these
products. And so that is one of our
future agendas.
Another is our -- and Howard can relate this
to you. What we did this morning at
Walter Reed, which got us both very excited.
>> JOYCE BENDER:
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Yes.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Go ahead, Howard.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Well, it's a hospital to which America's men
and women come, having been in the theaters of Afghanistan and Iraq, and have
unfortunately lost body parts. And there
are some 6,000, I believe the number is, of soldiers that have come back. And certainly initially they --
>> JOYCE BENDER: 6,000 with disabilities.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Yes, with
war-related disabilities. A new crop,
unfortunately, and of course they at Walter Reed lament that fact. But our position is to really serve the
returning soldiers to the best ways humanly possible. And their first way of doing that is fitting
each man and woman with a prosthetic device, which is an artificial limb, which
will more or less make the body whole.
They were very receptive to learning more about assistive technologies,
because in the field of combat there may have been a loud noise or repeated
loud noises that have degraded the man or women's hearing capability. There may have been -- obviously there is a
mobility problem if there is a loss of a leg or a foot, what have you, and so
forth. So they are very interested with
John and me to learn more about the assistive technology, so that when those
men and women are returned home, they can be as able-bodied and complete as --
almost as complete as they were when they left, and best suited to resume the
rest of their lives with their families and in their communities.
So, we were very, very pleased that they were
even willing to allow us kind of look over their shoulder and evaluate the
suitability of the prosthetic devices that were being fashioned or prescribed
for the various men and women that come to Walter Reed.
>> JOYCE BENDER: That would be wonderful.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Another very exciting thing, in terms of an
example, Joyce, of potentially collaborating with Concurrent Technologies
Corporation, the various classes of types of men and women that have come
through Walter Reed, if they were receptive to it, could, by way of distance
learning, be kept current about the latest changes in occupational therapy, any
kind of new changes in various prosthetic devices, which will be -- you know,
enable them to perform better and better, as they go through time and their own
lives.
And Walter Reed people today on the basis of
just a very short and preliminary meeting were indeed excited by that
possibility. And CTC, Concurrent
Technologies Corporation, has a well-established history of distance learning. And I'll just be very brief in the advertisements
that one will see on television for join the Army, join the Navy, there may be
an enlistee sitting on the top of his or her bunk with a laptop on their knees,
taking high school GED courses or even beginning college courses. Not only is the curriculum developed and
devised by CTC and delivered by CTC, but the means of doing that are done
through CTC as well. So this would be an
instance of the CTC Foundation working with CTC to help the men and women who
are returning from
>> JOYCE BENDER: Yes, John?
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Let me add something briefly. What spurred this on; it was first Howard's
idea that we should do this. But
recently I had received calls and e-mails from the VA hospitals throughout the
country who are working with men and women who have lost a limb or who have
other disabilities. And what -- they
have actually asked me if I could identify other technologies that can help
somebody who are losing their vision or losing their hearing, or people who
have lost their speech or people trying to recover from traumatic brain
injuries. And so Howard a couple months
ago said, you know, Walter Reed is the place to start. Now, it wasn't an easy climb, but we got
there.
What I'm glad of, Joyce, is that -- see, I
know about the technologies and about recent advances in prosthetics and other
technologies. And we feel we can be a
help to them. And it's a great use of
the knowledge that Howard and I have in this field.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, that is wonderful. And how wonderful it will be, because we want
to prepare our young men and women who so valiantly defended us, we want to
prepare them so that they now can still have freedom in this country by having
employment. Because as I always say, if
you don't have competitive employment, you don’t have freedom in this country
or any country.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Right.
>> JOYCE BENDER: With that, we will go to break and we will be
right back with our special guest, Howard McClintic, the Executive Director of
CTC Foundation, and John Williams, President and Publisher of Assistive
Technology News. This is
>> At Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, our mission is to provide superior technology consulting services
to our customers, while creating career opportunities, independence and freedom for people with disabilities. While the demand for skilled technology
professionals is reaching an all-time high, over 13 million disabled Americans,
many of them experts in technology, remain unemployed.
Since 1995, Bender Consulting Services,
Incorporated, has worked to solve these critical social and business issues by
providing employers with reliable talent and giving individuals with
disabilities the chance to display their talents and enhance their lives
through solid careers. If you're a
person with a disability seeking employment, send us your resume via e-mail to
resume@BENDERCONSULT.Com. For more
information, about our services, visit www.Benderconsult.Com in the
Bender Consulting Services, Incorporated,
providing and creating employment opportunities, freedom and independence for
people with disabilities.
Www.Benderconsult.Com.
>>
Welcome back to "Disability Matters," with
>> JOYCE BENDER: And welcome back to our show. We're back with my friend John Williams, President
and Publisher of Assistive Technology News.
And to all people with disabilities, so well loved for all he has done
to help us through his writings. And our
new friend, Howard McClintic, Executive Director of the CTC Foundation.
You know, tragically, John and Howard as you
well know, just recently, John, you wrote a column for NOD. I know that you saw that Harris survey that
states that only 30 percent of Americans who want to work are working. That is terrible. Especially when you think there's 54 million
Americans in this country. The largest
group of people unemployed in this country are Americans with significant
disabilities.
So I have two questions for you. First, I'm
interested in hearing what you think we can do to educate employers, you know,
to help increase employment. And if I
could add to that, you know, do you think companies in your opinion, I have my
own, but do you think companies even understand what is out there with
assistive technology? So John, why don't
you go first.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: First, Joyce, I have to tell you, I have a
piece on NOD about the fact that there aren't -- that you have this jobs
recovery program, and guess what, Joyce?
People with disabilities aren't included in the jobs recovery. And I did a lot of research. I talked to rehab people in five states,
major employers, and there is no increase in jobs for people with
disabilities.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, we know that you're on mark with that
recent article that was in the Washington Post with the EEOC finding that over
the past decade, over the past ten years, the number of People with
Disabilities employed by federal agencies is now down 20 percent compared to
the overall 7 percent breakdown.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Right.
Joyce, I think that employers have the social -- employers have the
business, not a social, a business obligation to employ people with
disabilities. Because people with
disabilities, when you look at Franklin Roosevelt, when you look at the fact
that Thomas Edison was deaf, when you look at the fact that the founder of
Cisco has a learning disability, when you look at the fact that there are many,
many people, or Einstein had a learning disability, people with disabilities
can contribute much to the country. And
I find it unconscionable and imponderable that people with disabilities are
still the largest segment of unemployed people in the country, when we know
that people with disabilities can do things, we know they can write. We know they can think. We know they can create. We know they can paint. We know they can do anything that people who
don't have disabilities can do. It may
take them a little longer, but that -- but time should not be a factor in employing
people with disabilities. I think
businesses should encourage their human resource managers, should encourage
anybody who is going out, who is interviewing people with disabilities, to
insure -- or anybody, any possible employer, there should be directives that
say include people with disabilities in this interview process.
And, Joyce, I think that businesses still
don't know enough about assistive technology and the empowering opportunities
that these products provide people with disabilities. Because what these technologies do is they
break down barriers, mostly communications barriers that historically have
prevented a blind person from seeing material, but not reading material. Or having material read to them or a deaf
person from using the standard phone, whereas there are telecommunications devices,
there is the -- there is e-mail. There
are all kinds of technologies out there that compensate for a disability, and
it's part of the reason Howard and I wrote this book and have the book
available on-line. So employers can go
look at -- look at the information that is there, look for specific technology,
and they can find it, and use that information to go out and look for qualified
people with disabilities as employees.
Because remember, and I'll be brief, the
large unemployment population among people with disabilities means that
somebody's paying for their keep. And
that somebody is usually tax dollars.
Why don't we reverse that, put people with disabilities to work, make
them tax producers instead of tax takers.
And put this terrific working group, the power of the minds, the power
of the creativity, the power of their productivity, into making
>> JOYCE BENDER: Well, amen to that, John. I agree with you 150 percent. You know, as Tony Coelho, the author of the
Americans with Disabilities Act and a friend of both me and John, frequently
would tell President Clinton, and still when he speaks anywhere says to this
day: There is one group of people who
really do want to pay taxes, and that group is Americans with
disabilities. They would love to pay
taxes. In other words, hire them. Give people a chance to work.
And I agree with you wholeheartedly.
>> JOHN WILLIAMS: Quickly.
One of the places to begin is in schools. Children with disabilities have to go through
from grade school through high school through college; they must be encouraged
to get that education. They must have
access to all these products from the first time they enter school until they
graduate and then go on to jobs. This
technology must be in their hands.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Yes.
As part of IDEA, it should be.
And that is another way you can help, John and Howard. We can start really even in schools at a
young age getting all these products in there.
That is so important.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Well, we are trying.
>> JOYCE BENDER: It's going to be very sad for me to say this
show is coming to an end. I feel like I
only talked with both of you for a few minutes.
And I am going to ask you both if, again, later this year or next year,
we will have you back on again. Because
we are doing a special segment on assistive technology. But I want to thank you.
>> HOWARD McCLINTIC: Thank you, Joyce.
>> JOYCE BENDER: Thank you, Howard, for taking time to be with
us. And, John, we love you.
And, John, at the end of every show I end the
show with a quote by a famous civil rights leader, a person with a disability
who has worked to help Americans with Disabilities. And our quote today is a quote by John
Williams.
"We know, we know people with
disabilities can work and we know they have contributed to the nation's
strengths, historically, politically, economically, artistically, and
educationally. The employment sector must
expand these opportunities!
This is
>> VoiceAmerica.Com would like to thank
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Matters." Right here on the Internet leader, VoiceAmerica.Com.
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